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PostSubject: 15% Pulley without remap burns out exhaust valves???????   27th April 2010, 21:33

I'm confused now scratch

I popped in to Playmini today and although looking at exhausts got chatting about Pulleys Twisted Evil

He said he could supply a 13% Pulley with a JCW belt for £70. Laughing BUT! Rolling Eyes Thats as small as you wanna go or the heat build up will cancel out the power once hot. While if you dont get a remap you will burn out the exhaust valves very quickly! Crying or Very sad


I kinda wanna believe this, as the guy tunes a few challenge cars but you get a different story everywhere else! scratch

Anyone got any ideas?
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PostSubject: Re: 15% Pulley without remap burns out exhaust valves???????   27th April 2010, 22:12

Wrong!

Sorry, but I have a feeling he is generalising.

There is no point remapping a R53 until you swap injectors/heads/cams

The std ECU adapts very well to the pulley changes. After a couple of hundred miles the ECU quickens up according to your driving too. I have a 17% and have no problems and know many others the same.

If I were you I would jump straight to a 15% pulley Smile just remember to change the Sparkplugs to Iridium ones and maybe change your airbox Smile

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PostSubject: Re: 15% Pulley without remap burns out exhaust valves???????   27th April 2010, 22:19

Moleatrude wrote:
Wrong!

Sorry, but I have a feeling he is generalising.

There is no point remapping a R53 until you swap injectors/heads/cams

The std ECU adapts very well to the pulley changes. After a couple of hundred miles the ECU quickens up according to your driving too. I have a 17% and have no problems and know many others the same.

If I were you I would jump straight to a 15% pulley Smile just remember to change the Sparkplugs to Iridium ones and maybe change your airbox Smile


Thanks mate! thumbs up I did wonder as I know lots of people running them.

I was gonna go 15% as i do like to use the revs alot. Laughing Just need to find a good price pulley and belt deal and pick up a removal tool. Then we will be flyin! Twisted Evil
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PostSubject: Re: 15% Pulley without remap burns out exhaust valves???????   27th April 2010, 22:31

Not sure about the removal tool, but KMT Pulleys from Mini Torque are supposed to be the best. Think he will do belt and pulley for £65, or if you want the pulley in black (like me Very Happy) £90

I'm sure you can borrow the tool off someone. Get a dave.f airbox while your there for increased WHINEEEEEEEEE Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: 15% Pulley without remap burns out exhaust valves???????   27th April 2010, 22:39

The only silver £50 ones KMT has left are 16% Smile Otherwise it's black only at £65
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PostSubject: Re: 15% Pulley without remap burns out exhaust valves???????   27th April 2010, 22:42

Will check it out, Have been told by many the KMT is good. Just got tho make the leap I guess and see the results fireworks
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PostSubject: Re: 15% Pulley without remap burns out exhaust valves???????   28th April 2010, 09:34

How about you skip all the problems, get a 17% and a GRS intercool and be done with it Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

When are you about and I will take you for a 17% spin Very Happy Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: 15% Pulley without remap burns out exhaust valves???????   28th April 2010, 09:50

What was it like at PlayMini??!! We should try and get them on the site!!

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PostSubject: Re: 15% Pulley without remap burns out exhaust valves???????   28th April 2010, 10:11

Oh you are not helping Moley! I'll be bankrupt if you have your way! Laughing

I am ordering the 15% right now! I only use the car at weekends really and drive it like i stole it as a result. Am thinking caution will make my engine last a little longer! lol!

Playmini was ok, Small unit on estate near Horsham/Crawley Just off the A264 Faygate. Workshop full of projects so fitting not an option at the moment.

Had Pulleys and exhausts in stock, and very helpfull! thumbs up

Suggested their exhaust is not too loud lol! But has the best power gains Twisted Evil But then they all say that!

If I go back I will see if they want to get on SNM. They are local after all! Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: 15% Pulley without remap burns out exhaust valves???????   28th April 2010, 12:20

Great shout mate! surreynewmini@live.co.uk if they want to contact us Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: 15% Pulley without remap burns out exhaust valves???????   28th April 2010, 12:29

coopert wrote:
Oh you are not helping Moley! I'll be bankrupt if you have your way! Laughing

I am ordering the 15% right now! I only use the car at weekends really and drive it like i stole it as a result. Am thinking caution will make my engine last a little longer! lol!

Playmini was ok, Small unit on estate near Horsham/Crawley Just off the A264 Faygate. Workshop full of projects so fitting not an option at the moment.

Had Pulleys and exhausts in stock, and very helpfull! thumbs up

Suggested their exhaust is not too loud lol! But has the best power gains Twisted Evil But then they all say that!

If I go back I will see if they want to get on SNM. They are local after all! Laughing


Absolutely get them to email us, or just sign up!! Razz

I love my PlayMini, and apart from that my coop is totally standard performance wise. Got 121.8bhp at Surrey Rolling Road, so the 6.8bhp could well be down to the exhaust alone!!

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PostSubject: Re: 15% Pulley without remap burns out exhaust valves???????   30th April 2010, 00:05

I think Playmini might now be concentrating on classic Mini's rather than New Mini's... They sold their show car a while back.
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PostSubject: Re: 15% Pulley without remap burns out exhaust valves???????   30th April 2010, 09:09

Its the MINIless man! You not off to Yank-town yet mate?

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PostSubject: Re: 15% Pulley without remap burns out exhaust valves???????   8th May 2010, 22:18

By that rationale if you run anything other than an OEM pulley it's the same story, and you must always need to uprate your intercooler - anything smaller than OEM is going to increase air temps. Prob why GP has an uprated intercooler.

But conversely, it probably depends how hard you are running the supercharger after the reduction - if you are only using it for a bit of extra low end torque and hanging around the 3-4k rev mark you are probably working the supercharger no harder than you were before when you were having to rev harder to get same results.

If, however, you are constantly bouncing off the rev limiter, I would imagine a better intercooler is a must Smile
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PostSubject: Re: 15% Pulley without remap burns out exhaust valves???????   9th May 2010, 09:15

I agree with everything you are saying - I wasn't implying one would deliberately limit oneself to 3-4k revs, but that there are a lot of drivers who do work mostly within that rev range most of the time, and who feel a natural urge to change up as soon as they get to 4k revs. For example, my friend has spent the last few years in diesel cars, and tends to change gear as soon as he gets to 3k revs.

I was suggesting that working an engine with a reduced pulley at that level probably creates no more excess heat than running a MINI without a reduced pulley at 5-7k revs a lot of the time.

However, since you have evidence that even in traffic at low revs the addition of a reduced pulley massively increases heat soak, that does make my point moot Smile
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