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PostSubject: New MINI - 'Car of the Year 2014'   16th July 2014, 19:27



The all-new third-generation (F56) version of the small but sporty runaround was named Auto Express Car of the Year 2014 at a lavish ceremony in the Grand Connaught Rooms in London’s West End.

The new MINI is built in Oxford with engines made in Hams Hall near Birmingham and body panels coming from Swindon.

As well as winning the overall 'Car of the Year' Award, the MINI was also named 'Best Premium Small Car'.

The car is priced from £12,000 to £26,000 depending on model and specification, and judges said: 'Like its predecessors, the new car has the cheeky looks, classy cabin and fun driving experience we've come to expect. But it combines this with a new-found sophistication and an array of gadgets aimed at making you safer and more comfortable.'

They added: 'For the first time ever the British machine boasts the sort of comfort and refinement that makes light of long motorway marathons. Then there's the huge array of aids normally reserved for executive models that cost thousands more.' These include a head-up display on the windscreen, forward collision alert and adaptive cruise control which brakes if you are too close to the car in front, and speeds up again when there's enough space.

Auto Express editor-in-chief, Steve Fowler said: 'The MINI is the perfect Car of the Year for 2014. It's a small car that’s big on talent. We love the way it drives, the quality, the efficiency and the big-car tech on board. It's also built brilliantly in Britain – a car the UK can be proud of.'

Mini UK director Chris Brownridge said: 'This award is a real boost to all 6,000 Mini associates across Hams Hall, Swindon and of course, Oxford, all of whom should be extremely proud of this achievement. They have created a car which in just a few months has captured the imagination of customers and the motor industry alike.'

He said success in the 21st century was a fitting tribute to Sir Alec Issigonis, designer of the original '10ft square box' which kick-started the Swinging Sixties after its launch in 1959.

BMW oversaw the 'rebirth' of the Mini at its Oxford factory from 2001.

Brownridge added: 'The MINI Hatch is of course British-built and is a great British success story. We are soon to export our two-millionth car to one of the 110 markets around the world in which Mini is now sold.

'And while the quality, design and technology associated with this new MINI has taken an enormous leap forward, we've also managed to stay true to the character of Alec Issigonis' pioneering design that made the original Mini so appealing and unique.'

Production has just started in Oxford of a new 5-door MINI which goes on sale in the Autumn priced from £15,900 to £20,050.

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-2693455/Britains-new-Mini-named-Auto-Express-Car-Year-2014.html

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/mini/mini/87835/car-of-the-year-2014
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PostSubject: Re: New MINI - 'Car of the Year 2014'   16th July 2014, 22:23

I saw this but still doesn't stop the haters!  Mad 
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PostSubject: Re: New MINI - 'Car of the Year 2014'   16th July 2014, 22:33

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I saw this but still doesn't stop the haters!  Mad 

It's always the same, when the Gen1 came out then the Gen2, Clubmans, Countrymans and Pacemans...

As long as you like and enjoy I wouldn't worry what others say...

I have driven a few now and think they make older ones look old fashion on the inside....

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PostSubject: Re: New MINI - 'Car of the Year 2014'   16th July 2014, 23:11

I'd rather have a Paceman and that is saying something!

The key to good design is to define the future, while also respecting the past. My concern with the f56 is they aren't really respecting the past, and I don't like the look of the future...

I'm sure it'll be more reliable than ever (shouldn't be hard, other than the 2,000 sold cars that are being held due to snagging issues - beats sending to customers I suppose), quieter, probably a bit more refined and require less maintenance. There's some good colours and the seats are nice, but the price is higher than ever (if you buy on finance a Jaguar XF diesel Luxury is cheaper) and I can't get over the looks.
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PostSubject: Re: New MINI - 'Car of the Year 2014'   16th July 2014, 23:33

But I don't want a jaguar ......

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PostSubject: Re: New MINI - 'Car of the Year 2014'   16th July 2014, 23:36

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But I don't want a jaguar ......

The point I was making is the quality, image and ambience offered elsewhere for less money. A 135i is also cheaper, Golf GTI probably is etc. If you must have something with a mini badge on it then of course you couldn't buy anything else, but at the end of the day £30k on a mini is nuts! Or the finance of a few grand down and £399 a month (example on a launch spec manual s, sun roof, sat nav etc) is insane!
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PostSubject: Re: New MINI - 'Car of the Year 2014'   17th July 2014, 16:56

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hybridoriental wrote:
I saw this but still doesn't stop the haters!  Mad 

It's always the same, when the Gen1 came out then the Gen2, Clubmans, Countrymans and Pacemans...

As long as you like and enjoy I wouldn't worry what others say...

I have driven a few now and think they make older ones look old fashion on the inside....

Of course it doesn't stop me. It is such bigotry though. I hate the SAME OLD comments about them being big, being BMWs, being overpriced and so on. When in reality there are so many positive points.

I think the interior is great - class leading. My last two cars were Audis (A1 and S3) and they were truly boring in comparison to the F56 cabin.
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PostSubject: Re: New MINI - 'Car of the Year 2014'   17th July 2014, 21:14

If you hear the same comments surely its a common problem? If you like it, that's all that matters but a lot don't... I was offered an m135i the other week for substantially less than what a new s would cost, which to me makes the mini over priced. Its more than a jag xf, 5 series and an slk (certainly not my thing but a nice enough car none the less), but at the end of the day if you like it and are happy to pay however much they wanted for it then really what does it matter? Its your choice and your money.
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PostSubject: Re: New MINI - 'Car of the Year 2014'   18th July 2014, 09:10

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If you hear the same comments surely its a common problem?  If you like it, that's all that matters but a lot don't...  I was offered an m135i the other week for substantially less than what a new s would cost, which to me makes the mini over priced.  Its more than a jag xf, 5 series and an slk (certainly not my thing but a nice enough car none the less), but at the end of the day if you like it and are happy to pay however much they wanted for it then really what does it matter?  Its your choice and your money.

New 135 and new Cooper S?

I was suprised to see the new Cooper S actually comes in at less than a ford fiesta ST and Clio Sport...
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PostSubject: Re: New MINI - 'Car of the Year 2014'   18th July 2014, 13:21

Brand new m135i auto, leather seats and choice of 3 or 5 door. UK car, choice of colour from a bmw main dealer. And a Clio sport is nowhere near £399 a month with a few grand down!
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PostSubject: Re: New MINI - 'Car of the Year 2014'   18th July 2014, 13:33

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Brand new m135i auto, leather seats and choice of 3 or 5 door.  UK car, choice of colour from a bmw main dealer.  And a Clio sport is nowhere near £399 a month with a few grand down!

Oh right - I meant to buy outright OTR, i think the Cooper S was £18,650 basic and the Clio and Fiesta ST were in the £19s... This is just an example.
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PostSubject: Re: New MINI - 'Car of the Year 2014'   18th July 2014, 13:36

Do bear in mind though the difference in spec. The Clio comes as an auto, big alloys, sat nav, parking sensors, keyless entry+start, climate control etc, half or full leather, 4yr warranty. The fiesta has recaros etc. If you compare an equivalent spec (not forgetting you're more likely to get discount off the list price of the Renault and ford, whereas not on the mini), the real cost is far lower.
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PostSubject: Re: New MINI - 'Car of the Year 2014'   20th July 2014, 19:54

I would rather have a Mini than a Fiesta or Clio but the Mini is very pricey after all the extras are added. I hope Mini do not price themselves out of the market but then we all on this site keep buying them!!!!
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PostSubject: Re: New MINI - 'Car of the Year 2014'   20th July 2014, 20:19

To be honest the Clio at £8-10,000 cheaper for a roughly equivalent spec is hard to criticise really! They're a lot better built than they used to be, and maybe not quite as good as the mini, but not far off. And at little more than 60% of the price...
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PostSubject: Re: New MINI - 'Car of the Year 2014'   20th July 2014, 20:34

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To be honest the Clio at £8-10,000 cheaper for a roughly equivalent spec is hard to criticise really!  They're a lot better built than they used to be, and maybe not quite as good as the mini, but not far off.  And at little more than 60% of the price...

Why didn't you get a Clio James?

You could have saved £1000's and put towards a second Clio Wink

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PostSubject: Re: New MINI - 'Car of the Year 2014'   20th July 2014, 20:39

Davyboy wrote:
Moon wrote:
To be honest the Clio at £8-10,000 cheaper for a roughly equivalent spec is hard to criticise really!  They're a lot better built than they used to be, and maybe not quite as good as the mini, but not far off.  And at little more than 60% of the price...

Why didn't you get a Clio James?

You could have saved £1000's and put towards a second Clio Wink

Because I got mine at cost. And cost is less than an equivalent spec Clio.
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PostSubject: Re: New MINI - 'Car of the Year 2014'   20th July 2014, 20:45

Well if what you've said is true, they might as well just shut production then and give up. We can all drive Clios.

However I'll entertain you Jag idea, please do explain how I can get a well specced New Jag (to the same extent as my Coupe) on finance at MINI rates please.
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PostSubject: Re: New MINI - 'Car of the Year 2014'   20th July 2014, 20:50

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To be honest the Clio at £8-10,000 cheaper for a roughly equivalent spec is hard to criticise really!  They're a lot better built than they used to be, and maybe not quite as good as the mini, but not far off.  And at little more than 60% of the price...

Why didn't you get a Clio James?

You could have saved £1000's and put towards a second Clio Wink

Because I got mine at cost.  And cost is less than an equivalent spec Clio.

Is there really £8-10k difference in cost to retail?

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PostSubject: Re: New MINI - 'Car of the Year 2014'   20th July 2014, 20:55

http://www.farnelljaguar.com/new-jaguar/xf/?gclid=CLWJx4HV1L8CFbDKtAodeVgAog


2.2d Luxury - auto, leather, sat nav
Initial deposit of £2,100 inc. VAT followed by 35 monthly payments of £350. Based on 10,000 miles per annum.

2.2d 200bhp R Sport - suede and leather, auto, sat nav
Initial deposit of £2,400 inc. VAT followed by 35 monthly payments of £400. Based on 10,000 miles per annum.

The finance example mini showed when I was at the launch was also based on 10,000 miles with some form of special clause where you have to give the car back or pay them a load of money.
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PostSubject: Re: New MINI - 'Car of the Year 2014'   20th July 2014, 20:57

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Davyboy wrote:
Moon wrote:
To be honest the Clio at £8-10,000 cheaper for a roughly equivalent spec is hard to criticise really!  They're a lot better built than they used to be, and maybe not quite as good as the mini, but not far off.  And at little more than 60% of the price...

Why didn't you get a Clio James?

You could have saved £1000's and put towards a second Clio Wink

Because I got mine at cost.  And cost is less than an equivalent spec Clio.

Is there really £8-10k difference in cost to retail?

Mine is an R56 so wasn't subject to the price increases. I had to sign a gagging order to say I wouldn't say what the margin is, but if I could make the sort of mark up BMW do, I'd be a VERY happy man! It's also why my reg is remarkably similar to the coupe Ian had when Bert went for the sales event thing for the F56 training.
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PostSubject: Re: New MINI - 'Car of the Year 2014'   20th July 2014, 21:03

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http://www.farnelljaguar.com/new-jaguar/xf/?gclid=CLWJx4HV1L8CFbDKtAodeVgAog


2.2d Luxury - auto, leather, sat nav
Initial deposit of £2,100 inc. VAT followed by 35 monthly payments of £350. Based on 10,000 miles per annum.

2.2d 200bhp R Sport - suede and leather, auto, sat nav
Initial deposit of £2,400 inc. VAT followed by 35 monthly payments of £400. Based on 10,000 miles per annum.

The finance example mini showed when I was at the launch was also based on 10,000 miles with some form of special clause where you have to give the car back or pay them a load of money.

Well that's interesting. Not sure I'd want diesel again mind and I don't know what the specs are on those as they certainly wouldn't include options. Shame I'm not in the market for a family car though - but I guess the type of Jag i would consider definitely wouldn't come close to MINI.
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PostSubject: Re: New MINI - 'Car of the Year 2014'   20th July 2014, 21:08

There was a increase between the R56 & F56 but not that massive to give the mark ups you refer to, also the extra gizmos cost so like for like a small discount!


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PostSubject: Re: New MINI - 'Car of the Year 2014'   20th July 2014, 21:11

The standard spec on those is essentially:

Electric leather seats
Sat nav
Dual zone climate (gimmick)
8 speed auto gear box (100mph is about 2,000 revs)
Reasonable stereo, not quite Harman Kardon but it's not offensive
Keyless start
Jaguar are doing 3yr/48,000 miles free servicing
Approx 46-48mpg real world
No blank switches (personally I can't stand them!)
And the usual other trivialities.

Having bene driven round in a 2.2 diesel one for a couple of weeks when we had one on demo it was very quiet inside, but outside it was definitely a diesel! Went well though and was very smooth.

The point I'm making isn't that the f56 is a bad car, it's just they need to sort the pricing out on it a bit. If you're not an enthusiast, the Jag is (or appears to be) a much more expensive car. Of course to drive the Jag won't be as dynamic, won't sound as good and obviously isn't as personisable but that example is why, to me, the f56 is way overpriced. And I think that's a justified and fair statement really. I'm in no way criticising the f56 as a car there, just the numbers!
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PostSubject: Re: New MINI - 'Car of the Year 2014'   20th July 2014, 21:13

Davyboy wrote:
There was a increase between the R56 & F56 but not that massive to give the mark ups you refer to, also the extra gizmos cost so like for like a small discount!


I never said there was a massive mark up between the r56 and f56, just there was an increase. I was referring to the general mark up BMW make on their models in general - this doesn't just refer to the minis. A 5 series costs roughly the same to make as a 3 series for example.

I can't say what discount I got on mine, but it was enough to make it cheaper than a Clio RS.
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